Obama and his pull out.

[BenMonk]

How exactly does Barrack Obama presume to know so much about wars? Taking our toys and going home is not an answer for ending a war. As far as staying in Iraq for awhile we still have bases in Germany don't we? He is a first year senator and never served in the armed forces. Why doesn't he just promise to colonize the moon? He can promise anything he wants I guess. There is no way he has any idea what the DOD actually knows about terrorism. What a dick.

[Only One Glass]

Well...compared to McCain, Huckabee, & Clinton, Obama is the best choice in my book. He's our country's only hope for mending poor relations with all these countries that once liked us. It's our foreign policy and interference that's had people hating us for years so hopefully a big overhaul in that on top of a true DEFENSIVE strategy would curtail some of the ideology fueling that hatred.

We only spend a little over a billion dollars a year on all domestic homeland security and have only implemented a small fraction of the 9-11 commission's recommendations...how again does the current administration get to claim how tough on terror they are?

McCain is delusional, Huckabee is a religious wackjob and Clinton was purchased by the lobbyists years ago. Obama on the other hand is the only democratic candidate that didn't vote for the war and how can we talk about experience with the current administration's record? After 8 years of Bush, a potato has a great shot of doing a better job at running the country.

[Jersey Drew]

Obama is the only sane choice out of a group of people who will do jack shit for this country as it is. Obama's not a white pompus rich southern asshole with oil ties. Hilary is a fucking joke, McCain is a grumpy old fart and Huckabee is a bible thumper. Enough already, elect the fucker and see what happens.

[JohnnyCarson]

how again does the current administration get to claim how tough on terror they are?

After 8 years of Bush, a potato has a great shot of doing a better job at running the country.

thats all well and good, so dont reelect bush.... but what does that have to do with who to elect next year?

[SeanTheProducer]

Well...compared to McCain, Huckabee, & Clinton, Obama is the best choice in my book. He's our country's only hope for mending poor relations with all these countries that once liked us. It's our foreign policy and interference that's had people hating us for years...

You mean "mending poor relations" with countries like FRANCE and GERMANY... who, in their last national elections, voted OUT the government leaders who had "poor relations" with the U. S. ... and voted IN new government leaders who SPECIFICALLY STATED during their campaigns that they SUPPORT President Bush?

It seems that the people of THOSE countries have already solved the problem of "poor relations" with the U.S. ... but Foreign Relations Genius Barack Obama seems to totally ignore these changes in foreign governments... especially when he's making speeches to his followers who are more interested in HOW he says something... without thinking about WHAT he's saying, or the implications of his vague "plans for change".
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[Jersey Drew]

You mean "mending poor relations" with countries like FRANCE and GERMANY... who, in their last national elections, voted OUT the government leaders who had "poor relations" with the U. S. ... and voted IN new government leaders who SPECIFICALLY STATED during their campaigns that they SUPPORT President Bush?

It seems that the people of THOSE countries have already solved the problem of "poor relations" with the U.S. ... but Foreign Relations Genius Barack Obama seems to totally ignore these changes in foreign governments... especially when he's making speeches to his followers who are more interested in HOW he says something... without thinking about WHAT he's saying, or the implications of his vague "plans for change".

Just out of curiosity? What makes Hilary any better when she gets her fat ass on the podium and just screams I HAVE PLANS FOR THIS COUNTRY BLAH BLAH BLAH. Or when the everso pessimistic John McCain just blasts off about democrats? THEY'RE ALL FUCKING MORONS! None of them talk about how they're actually going to DO shit. It doesn't matter who the fuck gets elected, but we can't have a bleeding cunt or a miserable old bastard be president, period the end.

[Trouser Chili]

Obama might be a decent choice for the Democrats if he had more experience. I don't care how charismatic he is, it'll never make up for that glaring problem spot in his resume. That wife of his is a closet racist loose cannon. Her racial bias is showing when she's probably restraining it for the sake of getting her husband elected. McCain is probably the best choice. He's probably only going to be running the country for 4 years and will step aside to retire and that'll give the Republican Party a chance to work with a clean slate and allow someone to emerge.

[Jersey Drew]

Obama might be a decent choice for the Democrats if he had more experience. I don't care how charismatic he is, it'll never make up for that glaring problem spot in his resume. That wife of his is a closet racist loose cannon. Her racial bias is showing when she's probably restraining it for the sake of getting her husband elected. McCain is probably the best choice. He's probably only going to be running the country for 4 years and will step aside to retire and that'll give the Republican Party a chance to work with a clean slate and allow someone to emerge.

If you want 4 more years of Bush, vote McCain, that is all. I'm tired of the fucking speeches meant to scare and remind us of 9/11. WE KNOW already. WE ALSO KNOW IRAQ HAD NOT A FUCKING THING TO DO WITH IT! AT ALL! FUCK! WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND!?

[Trouser Chili]

Although there is one huge factor that could swing my vote to Obama: a military draft. McCain is extremely hawkish on Iraq. With the way things are going, how likely is it that McCain would implement a draft to add troops. He's always been in favor of adding more troops in Iraq. There's been some progress with the surge, but it's a very small victory in the timeline of the war.

[BenMonk]

McCain is the only canidate that has a leg to stand on for implementing a draft. He is the only vet in the lot. He personally knows the cost of combat. Every one ignored when Rick Santorum (R-PA) put out a report about the chemical and bio weapons in Iraq. There was a Sarin gas attack in Iraq in 2004 while I was there.

Also, the bleeding hearts want us in Darfur to stop the killings but the same thing was happening in Iraq when we got there. That is what Saddam was on trial for. Crimes against humanity. Saddam had stages with drains set up in the desert where he would murder about thirty people at a time.

[Only One Glass]

You mean "mending poor relations" with countries like FRANCE and GERMANY... who, in their last national elections, voted OUT the government leaders who had "poor relations" with the U. S. ... and voted IN new government leaders who SPECIFICALLY STATED during their campaigns that they SUPPORT President Bush?

Sometimes people are left to choose between the lesser of two evils. Here's some insight that helps break down Sarkozy's victory. "The answer lies in the tragic errors of the left. The far left, a force to be reckoned with in France, was unable to unite and present a single candidate. No fewer than three Trotskyist candidates, a Communist and the altermondialiste José Bové were competing for the votes of the same constituency. Their disunity rendered their campaign inaudible.

Ségolène Royal, meanwhile, conducted a lacklustre and centrist campaign that alienated much of her electorate. Instead of coming out in defence of the social state and social justice, she emulated Blairite tactics in an attempt to triangulate Sarkozy's politics. On law and order (the monitoring of young offenders by the military), nationalism and patriotism (the exaltation of the flag and national anthem), the economy (the dismantling of the 35-hour working week), education (the suggestion that teachers were lazy), she tried - unsuccessfully - to occupy the natural territory of the right. Politically and electorally, the strategy backfired."

As far as Germany goes, you're talking about their latest election like it was a landslide. Perhaps this slipped past your radar. "The opposition Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and its sister party in Bavaria, the Christian Social Union (CSU), started the federal election campaign with a 21% lead over the SPD in opinion polls. Many commentators expected the Christian Democrats to win a clear electoral victory and that CDU leader Angela Merkel would become Chancellor, forming a government with the Free Democratic Party (FDP) and displacing the governing SPD-Green coalition. However, the CDU/CSU significantly lost momentum during the campaign and ultimately won only 1% more votes and four more seats than the SPD.

Exit polls showed clearly that neither coalition group had won a majority of seats in the Bundestag. Both parties lost seats compared to 2002, as did the Greens, while only the Left Party (a partial successor of the Party of Democratic Socialism led by Gregor Gysi and former SPD chairman Oskar Lafontaine) made significant gains. Both Schröder and Merkel claimed victory, but the formation of a new government required careful negotiations. On October 10, 2005, officials from the SPD and the CDU/CSU indicated that negotiations between the two had concluded successfully and that the participating parties would form a Grand Coalition with Angela Merkel as Chancellor. 397 CDU/CSU and SPD Bundestag members duly voted for Merkel when the Bundestag met on November 22."

It seems that the people of THOSE countries have already solved the problem of "poor relations" with the U.S. ... but Foreign Relations Genius Barack Obama seems to totally ignore these changes in foreign governments... especially when he's making speeches to his followers who are more interested in HOW he says something... without thinking about WHAT he's saying, or the implications of his vague "plans for change".

Again, see the above. There was no landslide. Sometimes you're left to choose the best smelling candidate out of a selection of pieces of shit.

I'll say it again. McCain is delusional, Huckabee is a religious wackjob, and the lobbyists own Clinton. Lack of experience aside, I think Obama is the best choice. In fact, I think some of that "experience" that people talk so much about is what gets candidates to warm up to the lobbyists and slowly lose touch with the average citizen. I think this country could use a fresh perspective on things and I like a lot of Obama's ideas.

The thing I like the most about this upcoming election is I think anybody in the race would be doing a better job than Bush. I'll take anyone, I just prefer Obama.

[SeanTheProducer]

Again, see the above. There was no landslide. Sometimes you're left to choose the best smelling candidate out of a selection of pieces of shit.

I'll say it again. McCain is delusional, Huckabee is a religious wackjob, and the lobbyists own Clinton. Lack of experience aside, I think Obama is the best choice. In fact, I think some of that "experience" that people talk so much about is what gets candidates to warm up to the lobbyists and slowly lose touch with the average citizen. I think this country could use a fresh perspective on things and I like a lot of Obama's ideas.

I never said ANYTHING about "landslide" victories... I don't know where you got THAT from. They were just election victories by candidates who were openly running as Bush supporters.

Oh... and you may want to check into Obama's campaign financing... he's been taking quite a bit of money from lobbyists that he has already warmed up to during his time in Congress and his Presidential campaign.

I honestly don't have anything against Obama... he sure as hell is a better choice and candidate than Hillary. I'd just prefer someone with real experience actually dealing in foreign policy when I vote to put that person in charge of creating the future foreign policy of the nation.
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[BenMonk]

Who are the Teamsters supporting???? Oh Yeah Obama. Unions don't have any influence right?

[Jersey Drew]

McCain is the only canidate that has a leg to stand on for implementing a draft. He is the only vet in the lot. He personally knows the cost of combat. Every one ignored when Rick Santorum (R-PA) put out a report about the chemical and bio weapons in Iraq. There was a Sarin gas attack in Iraq in 2004 while I was there.

Also, the bleeding hearts want us in Darfur to stop the killings but the same thing was happening in Iraq when we got there. That is what Saddam was on trial for. Crimes against humanity. Saddam had stages with drains set up in the desert where he would murder about thirty people at a time.

I am in no way discrediting your military service at all but I would just like to state that I don't recall daily suicide bombings in crowded markets in Iraq pre-Iraq war.

I also don't recall Iraq perpetrating the 9/11 attacks.

[y2jbones]

I never said ANYTHING about "landslide" victories... I don't know where you got THAT from. They were just election victories by candidates who were openly running as Bush supporters.

Oh... and you may want to check into Obama's campaign financing... he's been taking quite a bit of money from lobbyists that he has already warmed up to during his time in Congress and his Presidential campaign.

I honestly don't have anything against Obama... he sure as hell is a better choice and candidate than Hillary. I'd just prefer someone with real experience actually dealing in foreign policy when I vote to put that person in charge of creating the future foreign policy of the nation.
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I have to agree with you and Nick about Obama. He's a bright guy and gives good speaches but he lacks the government experience to be president. Both he and Hillary have never run any kind of government in their lives and are in no position to step into the presidency. Maybe in 8-10 years he'll have the experience and ideas to make him a good candidate but as of now he doesn't. The Democrats don't have any good candidates who are qualified to be president so they threw Barack and Hillary up there hoping people would vote them in just because he's black or she's a woman. It's pretty sad because the country wants a democrat to offset Bush who is probably the worst 2 term president of all time. They couldn't do any better than Kerry when the country wanted to vote Bush out of office, and they can't do any better than Obama or Clinton now.

[y2jbones]

How exactly does Barrack Obama presume to know so much about wars? Taking our toys and going home is not an answer for ending a war. As far as staying in Iraq for awhile we still have bases in Germany don't we? He is a first year senator and never served in the armed forces. Why doesn't he just promise to colonize the moon? He can promise anything he wants I guess. There is no way he has any idea what the DOD actually knows about terrorism. What a dick.
That's a very good point. We all know Bush used the September 11 attacks to coerce our country into buying into a war with Iraq. Even though Bush went in there under false pretences and alterior motives, ousting Hussein wasn't exactly a bad thing. He was a ruthless dictator who was responsible for the deaths of thousands. The problem is the way Bush's administration went about doing it. He shunned the rest of the world and forced us to be policing Iraq all by ourselves. Now we're stuck in a situation that will require years of protection before the Iraqi's are ready to rule and protect themselves. Germany is an excellent example. The U.S. and U.S.S.R. had to aid the country with money and military protection for years. We're still over there. Anyone who thinks we can just pull out of Iraq and the problem will end is sadly mistaken and uneducated. What we need to do is build some alliances and turn some of the responsiblities over to other nations and to the Iraqi's themselves. It will take a lot longer than a couple of years.

[Buster H]

We are in Iraq because Saddam hussein would not comply with the United Nation security council resolutins dating back to when he INVADED KUWAIT.
http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/committees/IraqKuwait/IraqResolutionsEng.htm

Were you bitching while clinton sending our troops to take a country from one group (Christians) and give it to another(Muslum)? Probably not because the were Nato troops then not U.S. troops.

Obama will decimate our military more than Clinto or Carter. I don't think this country will ever be electing a Far left guy like obama to the office. It has already been established that groups like Moveon.org and there ilk own the democrate party. And Borat Obama is the most left leaning congress men in the office.

[BenMonk]

My landlord while in college was a former seal linguist. I asked him if he retired from the Navy and he said no he couldn't stand the Clinton administration so he got out. He said that he got sent all over the world fighting little wars and the longer he was in the more funding was cut by the Clinton administration. He said they fought the same battles with less equipment and less trained soldiers. He also said toward the end the seal school couldn't keep up with the demand for special forces soldiers so they graduated them early to backfill the teams. It is a scary trend that the Democrats are known for. I agree that our military cannot withstand another dismanteling by the Dems.

[Jersey Drew]

We are in Iraq because Saddam hussein would not comply with the United Nation security council resolutins dating back to when he INVADED KUWAIT.
http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/committees/IraqKuwait/IraqResolutionsEng.htm

Were you bitching while clinton sending our troops to take a country from one group (Christians) and give it to another(Muslum)? Probably not because the were Nato troops then not U.S. troops.

Obama will decimate our military more than Clinto or Carter. I don't think this country will ever be electing a Far left guy like obama to the office. It has already been established that groups like Moveon.org and there ilk own the democrate party. And Borat Obama is the most left leaning congress men in the office.

No one needs to remind me that Iraq wouldn't comply with U.N. sanctions 10 fucking years before 9/11. Saddam Hussein did not attack America. We were attacked on 9/11 by a bunch of Muslim fucks from SAUDI ARABIA who worship a fucktard in Afghanistan. Too bad that presidents with oil ties suck the Prince Sultans cock all fucking day and don't send troops to where they really need to be. Afghanistan was a fucking memory in a year and you're telling me we don't have Bin Laden yet? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!? GOOGLE HAS A FUCKING WEBSITE THAT CAN ZOOM INTO MY FUCKING BATHROOM AND YOU CAN'T FIND ONE SINGLE TOWELHEAD FUCK IN THE DESERT!? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!

[UNLUCKY]

It does not matter who gets the vote, all the frontrunner's are business as usual say anything to get elected and fuck us all politicians.

Hell there is no good choice.

I don't care for McCain even though I vote Republican.

Hillery, no fucking way we need another Clinton, although it would be amusing to see what she could do with the health care system this time around.

Obama....some of what he says is alright but I will not vote for a man who will not respect the flag of his own country.

[SeanTheProducer]

Obama....some of what he says is alright but I will not vote for a man who will not respect the flag of his own country.

Yeah... I was gonna mention that, myself...
but I couldn't find any video (still photos don't tell the real story) to prove it... until now:

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At the very least, he should have been using his hands to cover his ears.
Jesus...that's the WORST rendition of the National Anthem since Roseanne Barr.

Maybe THAT'S why he didn't put his hand over his heart...
he didn't recognize the song (I wouldn't blame him for it THAT time).
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[BenMonk]

That was really really really really bad. Who the hell told her she could sing??? Well his wife has never been proud of America so maybe he hates it here too. He wants us to CHANGE into communist Russia. What a Dick!

[Only One Glass]

I never said ANYTHING about "landslide" victories... I don't know where you got THAT from. They were just election victories by candidates who were openly running as Bush supporters.

Oh... and you may want to check into Obama's campaign financing... he's been taking quite a bit of money from lobbyists that he has already warmed up to during his time in Congress and his Presidential campaign.

I honestly don't have anything against Obama... he sure as hell is a better choice and candidate than Hillary. I'd just prefer someone with real experience actually dealing in foreign policy when I vote to put that person in charge of creating the future foreign policy of the nation.
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Oh come on, there are still plenty of mindless fucks in this country that think Bush is doing a bang up job and will be joining them in heaven one day. France and Germany aside, pretty much the whole world hates us. Do you honestly believe that McCain would be a great president? Seriously? The guy's stance on Iraq is completely delusional and, despite McCain's his tenure in the senate, I just think Obama is the best choice.

I think this is going to be one of those things that we'll have to agree to disagree on.

[Only One Glass]

Yeah... I was gonna mention that, myself...
but I couldn't find any video (still photos don't tell the real story) to prove it... until now:

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At the very least, he should have been using his hands to cover his ears.
Jesus...that's the WORST rendition of the National Anthem since Roseanne Barr.

Maybe THAT'S why he didn't put his hand over his heart...
he didn't recognize the song (I wouldn't blame him for it THAT time).
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Yeah, that was absolutely horrible. I don't care about him not holding his hand over his heart though as it's just a symbolic tradition. You know, having the most made in China American flags doesn't make someone the biggest patriot.

On this note though, does anyone else get fucking disgusted by all these people that talk about how god is mentioned in the Pledge of Allegiance, especially when 99.999% of them probably have no idea that "under god" was added in 1954?